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*Feature Requests*

I am thinking about buying a CD-7 to replace my Gauge Art and to be honest although the CD-7 looks awesome in videos in reality the sofware for creating gauges is very limited. Really restricting designs and alternative products like AIM, Haltech looks allot more sophisticated in terms of designs.

However...

The CD-7 is very new out and on software revision V1

I'm assuming AEM are planning on polishing the software adding new features?

What are AEM's plans for the CD-7? Is it to expand adding more customisability? I know it's very early days.  I downloaded the software prior to purchasing just to see what i could do and for a premium product it's somewhat limited when compared to a budget product like the gauge art. Which currently you are able to produce better designs because there are more options in the software in some ways.

In which case i Propose a feature request sticky.

I will start it off.

 

1. Rev needle improvements. Currently you can only do full length which kinda really limits the design of a gauge, for example if you have the digital read out in the middle of the gauge and a needle overlayed it is running over the top or below the digital. What is needed is the ability to only show the tip of the needle making the middle invisible. Also adding some different needles designs. Not only the tip but the ability to specify how much of the tip you can show.

2. round bar type gauges where you can specify width of the bar and start and stop point without having a centre fill.  You can currently do verticle, horizontal and curved but not round unless you pick tacho and it fills the middle. I would like to see just a bar going around a circle.

3. tacho. you can't rotate it or specify the start or stop enabling you to change the range from say 180 to a full 360 you can't clear the numbers neither.

4. The ability to preview the gauge within the design as a finished rendered item, what it's actually going to look like once exported.

5. Better instruction, some gauges like the needle has a transparancy and you can pick the colour of the transparancy, ok so you pick the color of the needle for example red, you select transparancy so it is see through but why or what does selecting a transparancy color do?

6. Adding to the shapes transparancy shapes. My idea behind this would be to aid point 1. Lets say you have a full size needle but you only want to show the out part of that needle. if you could do a transparancy shape for example a circle this could be placed in the middle and make anything that is covered in terms of the design and the order of layers disapear and not visibile instead of just adding a solid color how it currently works.

7. Adding a grid that overlays the background image, would make layout allot easier than guessing and using X / Y position.

8. I'm sure i saw in the video's bars can change color depending if it's within the safety zone or warning etc. I don't think you can currently? Same should apply for digital gauges where there is just a number.

9. LFA inspired, memory of last entry point for a needle, this may only really work with request 1. So when revving the motor when you shift for a short period of tims it remembers where it was affectively dupping up for a short amount of time.

10. Shapes having the ability of only apearing upon set conditions with the ability of transparancy. Imagine a revcoulter where the centre illuminates at a set RPM just one example where that may be a nice feature.

11. To make the settings section a little more dummy / user friendly. It's a dash not a ecu so will be configured by the end users not the actual tuners (specilialists).

I think just adding the above would really expand on design options. Option 1 and 2 combined would mean you could overlay gauges and combine a bar with a needle. For example a rev counter could be needle but on the same bar you could have a bar for boost.  That example probably works best for Speed and Revs but you get the idea.

 

Would be awesome if with the right back image you can replicate the LFA or similar cluster.

 

I think it has allot of potential.  Can't wait for any updates, not sure if i should take a risk and buy one now or wait until the software comes along a little more.  If i didn't own the Gauge Art it would be a no brainer but at the moment while there are many benefits of replacing and upgrading based on the design limitations to what i currently have i'm on the fence.

 

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12. Tints, this may be the

12. Tints, this may be the same as what the transparancy option does. Would be cool if you have a bar or needle and instead of a solid colour you can set it at a tint based on a percnetage.

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Hi Jaff,

Hi Jaff,

Firstly, Thanks for checking out the CD7.

Jaff wrote:
I am thinking about buying a CD-7 to replace my Gauge Art and to be honest although the CD-7 looks awesome in videos in reality the software for creating gauges is very limited. I'm assuming AEM are planning on polishing the software adding new features? What are AEM's plans for the CD-7? Is it to expand adding more customization? I know it's very early days. I downloaded the software prior to purchasing just to see what i could do and for a premium product it's somewhat limited when compared to a budget product like the gauge art. Which currently you are able to produce better designs because there are more options in the software in some ways.

Yes, The development will be ongoing and at a furious pace. In fact, the 1st revision will be out in a couple days. The majority of the work since the release has been on adding and validating 3rd party applications but there has been some software additions as well and it will be getting significantly more attention in the upcoming months. But, please note that all the setups used in the videos were created with the production released software, not any special AEM only version of software.

Jaff wrote:
1. Rev needle improvements. Currently you can only do full length which kinda really limits the design of a gauge, for example if you have the digital read out in the middle of the gauge and a needle overlayed it is running over the top or below the digital. What is needed is the ability to only show the tip of the needle making the middle invisible. Also adding some different needles designs. Not only the tip but the ability to specify how much of the tip you can show.

Using the Round Tacho Bitmap item, The needle can have it's color, length, center-point (axis), and offset from the center all set by the user. I started going into the requests and addressing them one by one but quickly realized you were talking about the "Round Tacho" display item. In the cases you are describing the Round tacho item is not well suited for your needs. You should check out the Round Tacho Bitmap item as it is infinitely more customizeable. The basic Round Tacho item is just a round gauge. The Round Tacho Bitmap is an animated needle on top of a transparent background that you can put on top of whatever graphics you design. That way you make a high res picture of your display and draw it all up except for the moving needle. Then you put the Round Tacho Bitmap item on top of it on the display. You can then do pretty much everything you wanted to do and more. In an upcoming release this item will be renamed Transparent Needle Gauge or something like that. So to addrress #1, by using the Round Tacho Bitmap item, The needle can have it's color, length, center-point (axis), and offset from the center all set by the user.

Jaff wrote:
2. round bar type gauges where you can specify width of the bar and start and stop point without having a center fill. You can currently do vertical, horizontal and curved but not round unless you pick tacho and it fills the middle. I would like to see just a bar going around a circle.

I agree, It's now on the list.

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3. tacho. you can't rotate it or specify the start or stop enabling you to change the range from say 180 to a full 360 you can't clear the numbers either.

Using the Round Tacho Bitmap item you also get to define it's start and stop points (in degrees) as well as the values that correspond to them. So for example you can have an oil pressure gauge that starts at about 5 o'clock at 0 psi and is full scale at 7 o'clock at 65 psi, you can also have it go backwards, start at 7 and end at 5 or whatever.

Jaff wrote:
4. The ability to preview the gauge within the design as a finished rendered item, what it's actually going to look like once exported.

I agree, It's now on the list.

Jaff wrote:
5. Better instruction, some gauges like the needle has a transparency and you can pick the color of the transparency, ok so you pick the color of the needle for example red, you select transparency so it is see through but why or what does selecting a transparency color do?

Yeah, We are working on that. The current instructions are minimal and require an awful lot of imagination to see whats possible.

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6. Adding to the shapes transparency shapes. My idea behind this would be to aid point 1. Lets say you have a full size needle but you only want to show the out part of that needle. if you could do a transparency shape for example a circle this could be placed in the middle and make anything that is covered in terms of the design and the order of layers disappear and not visible instead of just adding a solid color how it currently works.

That is mostly addressed by #1 with the existing needle offset however the fundamental issue of static items (shapes) not being able to be placed on top of dynamic items (graphs and numbers) remains. This happens because the static items are drawn only on initial page render so regardless of display order (Z-order) once the dynamic value changes and it redraws, it will draw over the static shape. We are working on possible solutions.

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7. Adding a grid that overlays the background image, would make layout allot easier than guessing and using X / Y position.

You can set a grid size and activate snap to grid to address these issues. "Gauge | Snap to Grid" and the "Gauge | Grid Size"

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8. I'm sure i saw in the video's bars can change color depending if it's within the safety zone or warning etc. I don't think you can currently? Same should apply for digital gauges where there is just a number.

You can in most cases.

To make a Value change colors you right click on it to open the Value Editor window
Click on "Warning Mode"
Select the warning color you want the number to change to
Check the "Flash if warning active" checkbox if you want it to flash as well
Select the channel threshold to trigger the color change OR pick an alarm to trigger it.

To make a Text Label or Variable String change colors you right click on it to open the Text Editor window
     Click on the "Warning" button under "Color Mode"
     Select the warning color you want the number to change to
     Check the "Flash if warning active" checkbox if you want it to flash as well
     Select the alarm you want to use to trigger it.

To make a Horizontal Bar graph that changes colors you use the Bar Tacho Bar item and then right click on it to open the Bar Tacho Editor window
     Click on "Square Tacho" to make it a horizontal bar graph
     To set a lower color:
          Enable Lower Tacho Limit
          Enter the value for the limit
          Select the warning color you want the number to change to
          Check the "Enable Flash Below Limit" checkbox if you want it to flash as well
     To set an upper color:
          Enable Tacho Limit
          Enter the value for the limit
          Select the warning color you want the number to change to
          Check the "Enable Flash Above Limit" checkbox if you want only the warning portion to flash
          Check the "Flash Entire Tacho Above Limit" checkbox if you want the entire bar graph to flash

You can not set warning colors on the basic horizontal and vertical bar graph.

Jaff wrote:
9. LFA inspired, memory of last entry point for a needle, this may only really work with request 1. So when revving the motor when you shift for a short period of time it remembers where it was effectively dupping up for a short amount of time.

I think it can do this already, but I haven't specifically tried this application of it. You can create a rolling time filter that keeps the max channel value seen over the last X seconds. Pair that with a second bitmap Gauge running on the same background but set behind the "live" gauge and it will follow the live gauge but be hidden by it but will be left behind when the live gauge decreases. After a few seconds it will fall. I'm going to play with this one and post the results a bit later. This works because Bitmap gauges (really just transparent gauges) allow a needle to be put on top of anything, you dont even need to put a graphic in it's background so it is actually a transparent gauge. Putting one on top of another allows multiple gauges to share the same space, so making a max revs gauge is easy and making it display on the same tach is also easy. You can also make it be a literal "max" gauge, and only reset with the right button.

Jaff wrote:
10. Shapes having the ability of only appearing upon set conditions with the ability of transparency. Imagine a revcounter where the center illuminates at a set RPM just one example where that may be a nice feature.

Some versions of this exists already within the Alarm function and the Bitmap functions.
Alarm Function: While it's shape is currently limited to rectangles, it allows an area of the screen to change from one color to another based on an alarm.
Bitmap Function: use the Bitmap Selector capability. You can have a region of the screen change from one image to another based on an alarm. Imagine the complex center of the LFA dash and that you are using a screen image of that as your background. You can have a section of, or even the entire background image change based on a channel value. So you could change out the background of the center section to a glowing one when a specific channel exceeds a set value. Both of these are possible right now.

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11. To make the settings section a little more dummy / user friendly. It's a dash not a ecu so will be configured by the end users not the actual tuners (specialists).

Ain't that the truth. Trying to keep things configurable yet simple is really, really challenging. These changes are ongoing.

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12. Tints, this may be the same as what the transparency option does. Would be cool if you have a bar or needle and instead of a solid color you can set it at a tint based on a percentage.

I agree, It's now on the list.

Jaff wrote:
I think just adding the above would really expand on design options. Option 1 and 2 combined would mean you could overlay gauges and combine a bar with a needle. For example a rev counter could be needle but on the same bar you could have a bar for boost. That example probably works best for Speed and Revs but you get the idea. Would be awesome if with the right back image you can replicate the LFA or similar cluster.

I think we could probably get pretty close with the current version. When I get a sec I am going to try to knock one up. I am swamped with the new release this week but hopefully very soon.

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That's awesome, you guys are

That's awesome, you guys are on top form.

May i make a suggestion, have a play with the guage art site, it's very limited compared to the CD-7 but they make it very easy to use and although it is limited it's very powerful in terms of what you can achieve. http://www.gaugedesigner.com/

Based on your reply i think i'll bite the bullet and order one, going all out logging with VDM. I really shouldn't as i've just had a new motor built after dropping oil pressure, so skint but priorities right lol.

Is there a way of displaying what position a AEM 12 pot switch is set at?  I have one for Traction control and one for Boost. I'm guessing this would be a good thing to use the change page for?

Another nice feature may be a custom table giving you the ability to convert / change the displayed information / units of a input. For example i think the 12 pot switch might be the traction control target split input. If that the case it display it as speed i believe, i would want that to show as a percentage.  Another example again 12 pot gauge for boost. there are a few different ways you may want it to show per each of the 12 settings. I will know roughly what bhp the car will be making in each position i could use a table to input those figures or you might just want a simple 1-12 digit or maybe even psi per setting.  There is allot of options. Just another idea, maybe a nice to add feature at a later date.

I'll attach a pic of my photoshop template to show what i'm currently using in guage art. What your seeing is the base background created in photoshop, this mainly uses bar gauges overlayed as requested above. This gives a good example of how they may be used. I have combined with a digital read out.  I'm happy to email over my gad file to take a look at, my first designs were very basic but the final one when on screen looks very factory and clean.  Believe me, it took many attempts to get to this point, early designs were awful and it approved with each revision.

Gauge art lacks needles, hence the deisgn using mainly bars, what would be awesome is the ability to combine the two. I'll go back to the design software and experiment a little more.

Thanks!!

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That looks cool!

That looks cool!

Since thats already 800x480, you can upload it directly into the CD7 and then put the needles on top of it. You could then also display the numeric values in the boxes. You really could use exactly that layout.

Regarding the Mixture switch stuff, I just answered that in the other thread. In short, yes, you can do it, and do it in a big way. Fully configurable

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Ok, it was too easy since

Ok, it was too easy since that image was already the right size. I uploaded it to my dash here on my desk and threw a needle on it and a couple numbers to show what I mean by the Round Tacho Bitmap acting like a transparent gauge.

https://youtu.be/BvV3ON88qdI

Simple but you get the point.

Here is the setup file I used.
test.aemcd7

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That's awesome, thanks.

That's awesome, thanks.

Fonts, is it using system installed fonts? There are plenty of options, just a query more than anything.

I see how that works now. I will keep updating this as i go for suggestions.

13. The software would really benefit from a Undo (5 limit perhaps?) and Redo within Edit. 

14. Warning mode.  "Input greater than or equal to" I think you really need both a upper and lower limit.  So for oil pressure you want a lower limit.  Oil temp you may want both lower and upper. Allowing different colours for both.

15. Round Tacho Bitmap Gauge Editor - Add more different types of physical needles, (Arrows and just a simple line.)

16. Round Tacho Bitmap Gauge Editor. - the ability to view the arrow within editor, otherwise there is allot of trial and error. Perhaps you can toggle it on and off.

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17. Round Tacho Bitmap Gauge

17. Round Tacho Bitmap Gauge Editor - I can easily see the start and finish but placing that on a image it's very difficult to get the positioning in the right position by eye with only two points to align up. I think if you kept the start and finish but had a cross hair a different colour that increased with size pehaps with a dash on the lines to indicate the needle start point and the end point would be the end of the crosshair.  using the arrow keys it moves too much so maybe with the ctrl or shift key etc when using the arrow keys it moves in smaller increments.

18. The grid for alignment is behind the background image.

19. Day/Night Brightness, ability to set the time it dims. I can see you can set the trigger as the time and another section to set the time as the pc time. Assuming it uses a default night mode time?

20. Shift light setup. Auto Create Outputs - auto does shift lights. but the warning lights only lets you select from one of the shift lights below and not a input or warning etc.

 

This is looking a very powerful piece of kit.  Very cool indeed and very well thought out, love the idea of the warning page and warnings at the bottom and the change page that's such a well thought out idea.

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[quote=Jaff]Fonts, is it

Jaff wrote:
Fonts, is it using system installed fonts?.
It uses your installed Windows OS fonts. If you want to add more then you only need to add it to your PC and the editor will make it available for use in a layout.

Jaff wrote:
13. The software would really benefit from a Undo (5 limit perhaps?) and Redo within Edit.
I agree. That's already on the worklist.

Jaff wrote:
14. Warning mode. "Input greater than or equal to" I think you really need both a upper and lower limit. So for oil pressure you want a lower limit. Oil temp you may want both lower and upper. Allowing different colours for both.
It's assumed that if you want more than a basic threshold then you'll use an alarm to trigger it. That way you can put as much logic into it as you want.

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15. Round Tacho Bitmap Gauge Editor - Add more different types of physical needles, (Arrows and just a simple line.)
Yep, that's on the list.

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16. Round Tacho Bitmap Gauge Editor. - the ability to view the arrow within editor, otherwise there is allot of trial and error. Perhaps you can toggle it on and off.
Yes, also on the list. Right now you just get the boundary lines that show the sweep angle and location as well as the offset end needle length.

Jaff wrote:
17. Round Tacho Bitmap Gauge Editor - I can easily see the start and finish but placing that on a image it's very difficult to get the positioning in the right position by eye with only two points to align up. I think if you kept the start and finish but had a cross hair a different colour that increased with size pehaps with a dash on the lines to indicate the needle start point and the end point would be the end of the crosshair. using the arrow keys it moves too much so maybe with the ctrl or shift key etc when using the arrow keys it moves in smaller increments.
The arrow keys move the items by the amount set for the snap. Temporarily setting that to 1 gives you full resolution. On setups I do, I make a layout-only version of the background image with the centers of the gauges marked, alignment lines in place etc. Then I swap it out with a clean version of the drawing when i'm done.

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18. The grid for alignment is behind the background image.
Damn, your right. Never noticed that.

Jaff wrote:
19. Day/Night Brightness, ability to set the time it dims. I can see you can set the trigger as the time and another section to set the time as the pc time. Assuming it uses a default night mode time?
Right now it can dim based on a wire input you hook to your headlights/instrument cluster, or it can dim based on a CAN input or an alarm. I never though about doing it based on time. I think the current version could support an alarm that triggers based on system time and use that to trigger the brightness, I'll have to think about that.

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20. Shift light setup. Auto Create Outputs - auto does shift lights. but the warning lights only lets you select from one of the shift lights below and not a input or warning etc.
You can set the warning lights to fire based on any alarm or warning in your setup. You probably dont have any created yet so your list of possible channels is limited to those that are already there by default. If you made an alarm the drop down window for the warning lights would allow you to choose it as well.

Jaff wrote:
This is looking a very powerful piece of kit. Very cool indeed and very well thought out, love the idea of the warning page and warnings at the bottom and the change page that's such a well thought out idea.

Thank you, we have spent an ungodly amount of time trying to make a truly powerful motorsports dash, and not just a toy. A big challenge is getting that across to people who see all displays as essentially equal and wonder why this is any different than some knock off android tablet running the trial version of Rev. 

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John, this thread is amazing

John, this thread is amazing - thanks for keeping up with all this!

I've similarly done a gauge setup with the bitmap tach, warnings, icons, etc on my CD7 and agree with a lot of what's been posted (and learned a bunch more reading through this).  Excited to see this thread progress, and to see the new release!

-- Jordan Innovations -- Mil-spec Wiring/Electronics and Consulting